From david at kdbarto.org Mon Jun 13 01:34:47 2022 From: david at kdbarto.org (David Barto) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 08:34:47 -0700 Subject: [COFF] A talk on the origin of Colossus Message-ID: <52D0912A-6FB4-4819-A1DE-8B2C4CABD92A@kdbarto.org> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCeLTWPCEFI At about 45 minutes it is interesting history about early computing. The Computer History Museum has released 21 videos from a 1976 conference. https://computerhistory.org/playlists/international-research-conference-on-the-history-of-computing/ I’ve only watched the one, and I’m sure the others are interesting as well. David From coff at tuhs.org Wed Jun 15 08:16:30 2022 From: coff at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey via COFF) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 08:16:30 +1000 Subject: [COFF] Status of classiccmp.org? Message-ID: <YqkIvlpQPFq1woQu@minnie.tuhs.org> All, does anybody know the status of classiccmp.org? It's been down for a few days and I'm already missing the cctalk list. If it's a issue of hosting, and someone has Jay West's e-mail address, then I could host the list on minnie. I've just done the mailman3 upgrade with mailman2 running concurrently to provide old-school list archives. I'd be happy to give Jay access to the system. Cheers, Warren From silent700 at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 08:27:01 2022 From: silent700 at gmail.com (Jason T) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 17:27:01 -0500 Subject: [COFF] Status of classiccmp.org? In-Reply-To: <YqkIvlpQPFq1woQu@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <YqkIvlpQPFq1woQu@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <CAEfH1SF4s5022qiB0zuGsy5vSbJ+2OoU=wv-jkOU66OnX3RYLw@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 14, 2022, 17:17 Warren Toomey via COFF <coff at tuhs.org> wrote: > All, does anybody know the status of classiccmp.org? It's been down for a > few days and I'm already missing the cctalk list. > > If it's a issue of hosting, and someone has Jay West's e-mail address, > then I could host the list on minnie. I've just done the mailman3 > upgrade with mailman2 running concurrently to provide old-school list > archives. I'd be happy to give Jay access to the system. > The server is offline. I believe Jay is on the road this week and doesn't have remote access. Migration is planned for "soon" but this was not a planned outage. J > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/coff/attachments/20220614/a6840a9d/attachment.htm> From rtomek at ceti.pl Wed Jun 15 15:14:22 2022 From: rtomek at ceti.pl (Tomasz Rola) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 07:14:22 +0200 Subject: [COFF] Status of classiccmp.org? In-Reply-To: <CAEfH1SF4s5022qiB0zuGsy5vSbJ+2OoU=wv-jkOU66OnX3RYLw@mail.gmail.com> References: <YqkIvlpQPFq1woQu@minnie.tuhs.org> <CAEfH1SF4s5022qiB0zuGsy5vSbJ+2OoU=wv-jkOU66OnX3RYLw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20220615051421.GA8328@tau1.ceti.pl> On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 05:27:01PM -0500, Jason T wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2022, 17:17 Warren Toomey via COFF <coff at tuhs.org> wrote: > > > All, does anybody know the status of classiccmp.org? It's been down for a > > few days and I'm already missing the cctalk list. > > [...] > > The server is offline. I believe Jay is on the road this week and doesn't > have remote access. > > Migration is planned for "soon" but this was not a planned outage. Ah. I too am missing a "noise" coming from that direction. A noise, well, a buzz, of bees always repairing their hardware, nothing negative. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com ** From coff at tuhs.org Thu Jun 16 01:37:46 2022 From: coff at tuhs.org (Grant Taylor via COFF) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:37:46 -0600 Subject: [COFF] Status of classiccmp.org? In-Reply-To: <20220615051421.GA8328@tau1.ceti.pl> References: <YqkIvlpQPFq1woQu@minnie.tuhs.org> <CAEfH1SF4s5022qiB0zuGsy5vSbJ+2OoU=wv-jkOU66OnX3RYLw@mail.gmail.com> <20220615051421.GA8328@tau1.ceti.pl> Message-ID: <a93b6224-e9dd-2be0-8a40-ca232ffcab42@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> On 6/14/22 11:14 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: > Ah. I too am missing a "noise" coming from that direction. A noise, > well, a buzz, of bees always repairing their hardware, nothing > negative. I think that it will be interesting to see how much email makes it through once services are brought back on line. I've always retained mail for two weeks before giving up. Not as may people do so for as long any more. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 4017 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/coff/attachments/20220615/75ce754b/attachment-0001.p7s> From rtomek at ceti.pl Tue Jun 21 13:59:39 2022 From: rtomek at ceti.pl (Tomasz Rola) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 05:59:39 +0200 Subject: [COFF] Status of classiccmp.org? In-Reply-To: <a93b6224-e9dd-2be0-8a40-ca232ffcab42@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> References: <YqkIvlpQPFq1woQu@minnie.tuhs.org> <CAEfH1SF4s5022qiB0zuGsy5vSbJ+2OoU=wv-jkOU66OnX3RYLw@mail.gmail.com> <20220615051421.GA8328@tau1.ceti.pl> <a93b6224-e9dd-2be0-8a40-ca232ffcab42@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> Message-ID: <20220621035938.GA23036@tau1.ceti.pl> On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 09:37:46AM -0600, Grant Taylor via COFF wrote: > On 6/14/22 11:14 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: > >Ah. I too am missing a "noise" coming from that direction. A > >noise, well, a buzz, of bees always repairing their hardware, > >nothing negative. > > I think that it will be interesting to see how much email makes it > through once services are brought back on line. > > I've always retained mail for two weeks before giving up. Not as > may people do so for as long any more. As you might know, when the target does not receive email, sender will try to send it to backup receiver(s), here: $ dig classiccmp.org MX ; <<>> DiG 9.16.27-Debian <<>> classiccmp.org MX ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 27228 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;classiccmp.org. IN MX ;; ANSWER SECTION: classiccmp.org. 1799 IN MX 10 mx2.ezwind.net. classiccmp.org. 1799 IN MX 10 mx1.ezwind.net. [...] and from this: [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_record ] I infer that the actual date when email will get dumped to /dev/null depends on settings of relevant mail servers (MTAs) - either sending one or backup receiver. If there is a way to get those value remotely by talking to the server, I have not yet dug it up, nor looked. I assume it might be about two weeks in case of classiccmp and each email author should be notified when his email fails to reach a recipient. So, we will see (experiment by doing nothing...), -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com ** From coff at tuhs.org Tue Jun 21 15:12:01 2022 From: coff at tuhs.org (Grant Taylor via COFF) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 23:12:01 -0600 Subject: [COFF] Status of classiccmp.org? In-Reply-To: <20220621035938.GA23036@tau1.ceti.pl> References: <YqkIvlpQPFq1woQu@minnie.tuhs.org> <CAEfH1SF4s5022qiB0zuGsy5vSbJ+2OoU=wv-jkOU66OnX3RYLw@mail.gmail.com> <20220615051421.GA8328@tau1.ceti.pl> <a93b6224-e9dd-2be0-8a40-ca232ffcab42@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <20220621035938.GA23036@tau1.ceti.pl> Message-ID: <41c50a11-b587-048d-8c91-aaf9542b3991@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> On 6/20/22 9:59 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: > As you might know, when the target does not receive email, sender > will try to send it to backup receiver(s), here: That's the idea. At least in an ideal world. Sadly, I've experienced too many ... less than ideal installations. > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > classiccmp.org. 1799 IN MX 10 mx2.ezwind.net. > classiccmp.org. 1799 IN MX 10 mx1.ezwind.net. Those are actually two equal weight peer MXs. There's nothing differentiating one as primary and backup. The "10" would need to be different between the two records. > I infer that the actual date when email will get dumped to /dev/null > depends on settings of relevant mail servers (MTAs) - either sending one > or backup receiver. In an ideal world, messages would never be dumped to /dev/null. Per RFC -- the bible of interoperability on the Internet -- messages should never be lost. Instead, such ultimate undeliverables situations should be reported to the (purported) sender. > If there is a way to get those value remotely by talking to the server, > I have not yet dug it up, nor looked. I'm not aware of anything in the SMTP protocol that is applicable for getting such information. Sometimes it can be inferred by observing behavior. I did receive such a Delivery Status Notification (a.k.a. DSN) from mx1.ezwind.net five days after I sent a message to cctalk. > I assume it might be about two weeks in case of classiccmp and each > email author should be notified when his email fails to reach a > recipient. So, we will see (experiment by doing nothing...), Yep. Hence "inferred by observing". ;-) -- Grant. . . . unix || die -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 4017 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/coff/attachments/20220620/90121da0/attachment.p7s> From coff at tuhs.org Thu Jun 23 07:03:03 2022 From: coff at tuhs.org (Grant Taylor via COFF) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2022 15:03:03 -0600 Subject: [COFF] Status of classiccmp.org? In-Reply-To: <YqkIvlpQPFq1woQu@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <YqkIvlpQPFq1woQu@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <1bef8e11-7104-22cd-0473-e9c3570dc8be@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> On 6/14/22 4:16 PM, Warren Toomey via COFF wrote: > All, does anybody know the status of classiccmp.org? It's been down for a > few days and I'm already missing the cctalk list. It seems as if classiccmp.org is now back online. I received messages from the cctalk mailing list and checked and found it online again. -- Grant. . . . unix || die -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com ** From rtomek at ceti.pl Mon Jun 27 11:35:56 2022 From: rtomek at ceti.pl (Tomasz Rola) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 03:35:56 +0200 Subject: [COFF] Status of classiccmp.org - take two In-Reply-To: <20220626211250.GB12937@tau1.ceti.pl> References: <20220626211250.GB12937@tau1.ceti.pl> Message-ID: <20220627013556.GC12937@tau1.ceti.pl> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 11:12:50PM +0200, Tomasz Rola wrote: > Alas, it seems like classiccmp.org is no good again. This time, when I Up again. Thanks to all involved. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com ** From crossd at gmail.com Tue Jun 28 05:47:19 2022 From: crossd at gmail.com (Dan Cross) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 15:47:19 -0400 Subject: [COFF] Ken Knowlton has died. Message-ID: <CAEoi9W48Q9_YCvu1-LN3OvMhXxWpMTDx4M5YGo1ut2NAjz8x_A@mail.gmail.com> Sad news: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/technology/ken-knowlton-dead.html